Sponsor |  Vortexfugue | Oct 3, 2007 10:29am | | 10. Oooh, you mean I'll get a good laugh... let me go check. Oh good gawd, yep, it's spam... and really crappy spam too... yuck! Scogostology and Transcendental Mental Technology... what a hoot! Let me just name it Scumtology. |
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|  Abhaa | May 21, 11:49pm | 1: I disagree with "What they believe is "God" or "is not God" is just the projection of their minds, which has nothing to do with the reality."
Mind projects that which is there in the cosmos -in the form of energy( remember Energy can neither be created nor destroyed)
Reality is not Truth, its only facts in parts that one sees.
What is truth? is it facts that they appear ? or some proven things based on scientific theories?science can never prove that which is beyond matter, As soon as we think of matter, it binds itself into the limit of time space causation.Intellect and reasons have their limitations.
So how can we prove that which is beyond matter? that which is spiritual? that we say is the Absolute Reality/ Truth?
Physical and mental senses are but grosser realities of the finer ones.
It is only through physical mental senses that we can grasp the infinite.
Gautama Buddha and Lao Tzu remained silent when asked of God.
It would be like reducing God to the material and limiting Him with a name, when He is that which is Omnipresent and Omniscient.
Nobody can make you experience God/Truth/ Absolute reality, it has to be you and you alone.Spiritual masters assist by making us unveil this Truth which is already with us.
Infact "All human activity--good, or bad or indifferent--is actually the misapplied search for God." (Swami Vivekananda)
We have made a mystery of God.
Unless a man makes an attempt to rise above matter, he can not experience the spiritual.
Its good that we are atleast making an attempt to understand what Truth/ God is, though realisation has little to do with intellectual cogitations. |
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| | | InadvertentlyMe | May 22, 4:25am | "So how can we prove that which is beyond matter? that which is spiritual? that we say is the Absolute Reality/ Truth?"
You are begging the question. Poor questions often lead to poor answers.
Would it not be safer to ask, "does anything other than matter exist?"
Even then, science IS aware of energy. It follows certain rules. You are coming to a conclusion and then looking for evidence - it usually works best the other way around...
(sorry to sound so blunt) |
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| | Abhaa | May 22, 5:01am | Your attack should be on the idea, and not me.
"does anything other than matter exist" wont be my question because I know what I am asking, and certainly not begging.Neither are you compelled to answer for the sake of answer.
I am not against science/ scientific theories, but their limitations to grasp that which is beyond matter.
Most scientific hypotheses are still theories, resting in their respective labs.Interestingly we so very welcome what I would say as 'scientific superstitions'.
(sorry to sound so blunt) |
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| | | InadvertentlyMe | May 22, 5:22am | It was. You have accepted a premise (non-material stuff) and then gone in search of evidence. This process can lead a person to ANY conclusion.
We will end up agreeing to disagree, but your presupposition that there MUST BE something other than matter, requires evidence first, imo. You only get to "assert" then prove in a hypothetical situation - and at that point you are seeking to affirm or disprove, not simply prove.
At least... if you use logic to try to get to your answers. You seem very confident and have now posited these views in two separate fora/threads. As Truth.
A hypothesis is generally a theory. Once it's proven it moves out of theory status - unless it's about a general topic, like relativity or evolution.
I'm not attacking you. I'm saying I disagree with your process and your ideas. Please re-read the post, and this one. They are nothing but fact responding to the ideas - except for this paragraph. |
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| | Abhaa | May 22, 5:32am | There have been enlightened men and women, and we cant deny of these things.
So the doubt of 'accepting any premise and then searching for evidences' is baseless.
yes thank you, one has to be confident of what one says:) |
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Sponsor | | emortis9 | May 22, 7:02am | 'scientific superstitions'
Oxymoron?
Any real science is superstition free. |
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| | | InadvertentlyMe | May 22, 8:59am | | 16 - "Enlightened" need not be the result of anything non-material. And having a following doesn't prove enlightenment - it proves charisma, and sometimes... selective memory. |
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| | Abhaa | May 22, 11:03am | 18-Ancient Indian texts( Raja-Yoga) proposes to put before humanity a practical and worked out method of reaching this Truth
These was written down by great sages called rishis, declaring that they have found some truth higher than what the senses can bring to us, and they invite verification.
They ask us to "take up the method and practice honestly", and then, if we do not find this higher truth, we will have the right to say there is no truth in their claim, but before we have done that , we are not rational in denying the truth of their assertions.
This is the one among the many ways to reach Truth/enlightenment/ God/ Absolute reality, as per the Vedanta Philosophy. |
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